Meanwhile, work has begun on Phase 2 of the development.
Wednesday, October 14, 2015
Phase 2 construction update at Pike & Rose (Photos)
Meanwhile, work has begun on Phase 2 of the development.
Meanwhile, work has begun on Phase 2 of the development.
Does this garage have retail in it? Seems really out of place. You have this beautiful grand avenue with pretty storefronts, summer house has their patio and there is the residential entrance. And then an ugly dark parking garage a few feet rising several stories high. I'm surprised they didn't hide it behind retail like the other garage which they did a nice job of.
ReplyDeleteIt's no wonder why Evan Goldman had to leave Federal Realty - Pike and Rose is his disaster and he is horrible at his job.
ReplyDeleteI like pike and rose. It needs a lot more housing and office space filled with people for those shops to survive though.
DeleteToo bad it's another walled community like Rockville town center though. It becomes a destination versus just down the street. 355 and old Georgetown road on one side means no other developers or individuals can join the party and grow.
I live down the street from Pike and Rose....and already hate going there.
ReplyDeleteIts the parking stupid.....its too hard to get in and get out. I prefer to go to the Mont Mall.
I will reconsider once the parking improves.
I find the parking pretty easy. Two entrances - one on old Georgetown and one on grand central or whatever that street is. Plenty of spaces once inside. Two hours free is fantastic also!
DeleteYou think Montgomery mall parking is better? In what way?
Deletewhy didn't FRIT learn from Rockville Town Square not to wall in their mixed use communities with garages?
ReplyDeleteWny turn the backside of the development towards the Pike? Makes no sense. You want visibility on the Pike.
Parking at P&R is fine in off peak, if you can park near the entrance on old gtown.
At peak times, it is a nightmare of traveling around levels of the garage with small drive aisles. I hope the new garage has larger dimensions to drive around in.
6:19 I agree, but at the same time Rockville Town Square actually does well creating public spaces that people linger in. A public space along a busy state highway is never going to be a place people want to spend time.
ReplyDeleteBut having a welcoming public face would go a long way to drawing people in.
The Rockville square is fantastic. But you can see the drop off in activity immediately on that side street even within the walled community.
DeleteI heard the pad site with Chipotle was originally supposed to be a high rise but the tenants won out? The renovation is nice but the space between that building and Persei is odd, with a parking lot, roadway, and high bays. It's very unappealing, even to walk from chipotle to the Main Street.
Let's not forget this is only phase one of the entire development of nearly 3.5 mil sf of combined space. The entire project will cover the extent of the parcel from Old Georgetown Road to Montrose/Randolph Road, when complete. Approximately 450,000 sf of this space will be retail. So there is a considerable number of new tenants yet to come. Once phase two is complete, or even visible the area will take on a more urban look, and the additional monster garages will disappear behind future phases of office and residential. The Pike will also become less intimidating and the high-rise structures take shape near the roadway in future phases as well. All in all, this development will age and become acceptable over time. Patience is a virtue.
ReplyDelete@ 7:06 AM - What "walled community"? Looks pretty open to me. Street grid running through it, with additional pedestrian paths, buildings fronting the streets.
ReplyDelete@ 6:34 AM - Hungerford Drive did not exist until the 1960s. It was built specifically to bypass the old downtown area (335 used to run along Montgomery Avenue and Washington Street). It's going to take quite a bit of work to integrate it into the urban fabric.
Thats what a walled community is. Lots of stuff inside is great, but the edges are pretty much constrained - hence the "wall". 355 and Old Georgetown block off any reasonable chance of extending the development past its "walls".
DeleteIt should have had a Westbard parking lot.
ReplyDeleteStick a fork in Pike and Rose - it's absolutely dead!
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ReplyDeleteI find the parking pretty easy. Two entrances - one on old Georgetown and one on grand central or whatever that street is. Plenty of spaces once inside. Two hours free is fantastic also!
7:04 AM:
The previous lot never charged for parking, and neither does Montrose Crossing just up the street. Of course parking is free, and should be unlimited if people are going to watch movies, eat, and shop.
I agree with the "walled in" argument, but it's not really Federal Realty's fault. The way that White Flint is laid out--huge tracts of underutilized land owned by a handful of developers adding multi-million square feet mixed-use developments is very different than downtown Bethesda or Silver Spring. In the latter two areas, redevelopment happens more organically, with infill high-density buildings being integrated into the surrounding community. With White Flint it's much harder and much less appealing to have the uses face "outward" and complement those across the street (especially when the "street" is a 10-lane highway used mostly as a through route by commuters).
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot more incentive for Federal Realty at Pike & Rose, LCOR at North Bethesda Center, JBG and North Bethesda Market, and Lerner/Tower Cos. at White Flint mall to build urban "oasis's" espeicially when everything--retail, jobs, residences, entertainment is located on site, and the surrounding area is a pedestrian nightmare. As I explained earlier in a comment on another post, oversupply (particularly for retail use) is definitely a concern.
Regarding the ugly garage: It will be fully screened by future phases of development, include the under construction Phase II hotel/condo and apartment buildings. There are a number of buildings planned along MD 355 as well, but most are office, and the depressed market makes construction for those unlikely in the near-term.
Too much emphasis on demolition of acres of successful retail rather than an organic redevelopment with blacktop areas first. Lerner fell into this trap too.
ReplyDeleteDepends on the definition of successful though. Seems the landowners would have done the issue diligence and decided the business case was there or they wouldn't do it. Lerner certainly knows more about this than you or I.
Delete4:31, we'll see in Columbia where they are redeveloping around the mall. Seems to me the mall creates a giant impediment to making a cohesive, connected community but we'll see.
ReplyDeletei feel the same way about the new garage as another commenter feels. the garage is in a terrible location. it blocks the view of the store fronts from the Pike. didn't the project designer think about this? now when you are driving on the pike, all you see is a big brick building that blocks the lights and activity thats happening on the main street.
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