Wednesday, January 30, 2019

Barnes & Noble makes a comeback...in Fairfax County

Barnes & Noble is much-missed at Bethesda Row. But the chain is planning a comeback with a new store concept, only not in Bethesda. Instead, the bookseller is planning to open one of the new stores in the Mosaic District at 2921 District Avenue in Fairfax County, which along with Loudoun County, is destroying MoCo in economic development (of course, with MoCo at rock bottom in the region, so are little guys like Culpeper and Rappahannock. Humiliating!).

B&N's new prototype store has a downsized inventory focused on books and gifts, dropping declining categories like music, movies and toys. It will also have a cafe, a feature Bethesdans were angered to find missing at the new Amazon Books store at Bethesda Row. The Mosaic Barnes & Noble is expected to open in June, according to the company.

The loss of Barnes & Noble and the Regal Cinemas (which the Montgomery County Council and Planning Board did not require the developer at 7272 Wisconsin Avenue to replace, despite having the authority to do so), along with the increasing flight of the rich out of Montgomery County to lower-tax jurisdictions in the region, has been a one-two punch to Bethesda Row. Longtime large restaurants have suddenly closed, and once-full parking garages now have hundreds of open spaces at the height of dinner hour.

We won't get a true test of the people-drawing power of B&N replacement Anthropologie & Co. until warmer weather returns this spring and summer. For now, the old crowds on the plaza have decidedly dispersed elsewhere. A major part of that is the loss of the theater, as well. Mainstream cineplexes have been shown in studies to draw an additional 20,000 people to an area per weekend. While the early months of Anthropologie have found its Terrain Cafe to be quite busy, the store itself seems to draw only a fraction of the shoppers the "failing" bookstore did.

106 comments:

  1. Anonymous5:05 AM

    It's very strange that the words "Federal Realty" can be found nowhere in this article.

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  2. Anonymous5:10 AM

    How come you never reported on Barnes & Noble renewing their lease at Montrose Crossing for 5 years?

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  3. Anonymous5:19 AM

    Fairfax County is outside your coverage area. Stay local where you do best.

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  4. Anonymous5:23 AM

    Local media reported this back in November.

    The Barnes & Noble format isn't just "slimmed down". It's the same size as the Amazon Store - 8,630 sq. ft. for the new Mosaic District Barnes & Noble, to the Bethesda Row Amazon Books' 6,000 sq. ft.

    The now-closed Barnes & Noble store in Bethesda Row was 37.500 sq. ft.

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  5. 5:23: Local Bethesda media did not report this in November. Did you read my article - I clearly gave you the square footage of the Mosaic store.

    5:19: Are you new to Bethesda? It's very relevant that we lost our store - which has had a devastating impact on foot traffic - and that one of our biggest rival counties is getting a Barnes & Noble.

    Meanwhile, you never comment on other sites when they report "out of their coverage area," which is why I can write about anything I want.

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  6. Anonymous5:36 AM

    Good Lord, you're out of touch. It's like a high schooler writes this stuff.

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  7. Anonymous5:37 AM

    Why would local Bethesda media report on a store opening in Fairfax County?

    "I clearly gave you the square footage of the Mosaic store."

    You very clearly did not give that number anywhere in your article. Why lie about basic stuff like this?

    "One of our biggest rival counties is getting a Barnes & Noble."

    It's the same size as the Bethesda Amazon Books store. Why is one good and the other bad?

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  8. Anonymous5:41 AM

    We find the Amazon Books very useful for painless Amazon returns. If you want to go to a cafe, perhaps one of the 200 restaurants that are easily within walking distance might suffice. If you lament the loss of free browsing access to magazines and books, they have this new thing called a library.

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  9. Anonymous5:45 AM

    Maybe Amazon figured out that cafes in bookstores were what was killing book sales.

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  10. Anonymous5:46 AM

    "It's very relevant that we lost our store - which has had a devastating impact on foot traffic..."

    Again, why no mention of Federal Realty?

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  11. 5:37: Another Saul Alinsky special - keep nitpicking and attacking until I give a wrong answer, then pounce. I don't answer to you, punk.

    "If every letter must receive a response, send 30000 letters." - Saul Alinsky

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  12. Anonymous5:50 AM

    "I don't answer to you, punk."

    This is but one of the myriad reasons you weren't elected.

    The "wrong answers" are in the article itself.

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  13. Anonymous5:59 AM

    Mr. DYER, we did just get LensCrafters.

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  14. 5:50: The only reasons i wasn't elected were the Washington Post not writing a single sentence about the general election Council races, Post reporter Jennifer Barrios either colluding with the MoCo cartel or being the worst political reporter in America, local organizations and media cancelling all general election Council debates in the At-Large race, voter fraud, and tampering with voting results at numerous precincts, as shown by anomalous vote totals by precinct.

    The "wrong answers" are in your head.

    5:59: That makes my point.

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    1. Anonymous11:44 AM

      Oh, and the fact that you are miserable and unlikable and apparently hate everything about the place you live, all of which come across very plainly through this blog.

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  15. Jennifer Barrios6:26 AM

    I don't answer to you, Punk.

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  16. Some day people will ask me what is the key to my success…and I will simply say, “good Karma.

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  17. 6:26: If you were actually Jennifer Barrios, I would agree - she didn't answer a single email during the entire election. The most unprofessional reporter I've dealt with.

    But I know it's not Jennifer Barrios, because she doesn't have the energy to troll my blog. Super low energy!

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  18. Sheepshill Says Baaaa6:29 AM

    There you go again, threatening a local journo with your "karma".

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  19. 6:27: If you are so "successful," why do you spend your days and nights trolling my news sites with negative comments? Successful people don't have the time.

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  20. Anonymous6:35 AM

    From the Rockville blog:

    "One whole department is cleared out at the Target store in Rockville is cleared out"

    I can't picture Jennifer Barrios writing crap like that.

    LOL

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  21. Yup. It's BECAUSE I am so successful that I can spend a few minutes here and there perusing websites, chatting with friends, watching and reporting on birds, shopping, playing in the snow. I own my own time.

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  22. Anonymous6:42 AM

    6:35 AM Digital hyper local vs. legacy media, my friend

    6:39 AM = Haters gonna hate

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  23. 6:35: Neither can I - she's too busy writing propaganda for the criminal MoCo cartel, and updating us on the Silver Spring Hand Lettering Society. Pulitzer-level stuff.

    And that's the same Jennifer Barrios who thought White Flint Mall was still operating in her first article for the Post - years after it was demolished. LOL

    6:39: And you spend it on purely negative energy against me? Sad!

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  24. Anonymous6:44 AM

    6:34 AM "afraid of making phone calls" ahem...Sears anyone? Falsely reported to be closing a year ago with no phone call by at least a couple of blogs.

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  25. Anonymous6:49 AM

    Anthropology is filled with way more paying customers than B&N ever was. Oh and it has a cafe. Maybe it's not one that the homeless and people working on their screenplay can sit in the entire day though...

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  26. Anonymous6:49 AM

    The more trolling negative posts by someone usually indicates they're not that successful.
    i.e. one troll that posts here is one of the least paid people on the County payroll. plenty of time to post here during his workday!

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  27. Anonymous7:13 AM

    6:49 AM No one will ever say, "meet me at Anthropology"

    I'm sure it's a fine store for its target audience, but there is no general appeal there. And it's no gathering place. Neither is Lenscrafters.

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  28. Anonymous7:23 AM

    7:13 WHATEVER WILL WE DO! Silly me, I thought the point of a business for a city was to sell things and produce tax revenue.

    If B&N's main appeal was as a meet up point than good riddance.

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  29. Anonymous8:20 AM

    How is this MoCos' fault? B&N's lease in Bethesda was up for renewal. They asked for a reduction. The landlord said no. They parted ways amicably.

    My guess if Mosaic in Fairfax is dealing with vacancies and desperate for tenants so they gave B&N a sweet lease deal.

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  30. Maloney Concrete8:40 AM

    I bet if folks shopping/hanging around Bethesda Row were polled, 90%+ would prefer B&N over what we got in that prime space.

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  31. Anonymous8:53 AM

    "Maloney Concrete" - tell that to Federal Realty.

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  32. Anonymous9:29 AM

    8:46 AM I predict one of your establishment Democrats on the Council will take a walking tour or some such nonsense of downtown Bethesda and announce a theater is needed. You'll stand and applaud vigorously to that and the eventual announcement of which theater chain is coming.

    You are no different than a rat in a cage responding to stimuli (talking points from the Council/County staff in this case). You respond reflexively without any independent thought on your part. It's sad, really.

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  33. Anonymous9:50 AM

    9:29 - PROJECTION

    PROJECTION

    PROJECTION

    PROJECTION

    PROJECTION

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  34. Anonymous9:54 AM

    8:40 AM A poll was already run. Instead of online voting it was done with dollars spent and rent paid. B&N lost.

    Move along.

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  35. Anonymous9:58 AM

    You are absolutely right Robert, things are really looking bad in Bethesda.

    By my count, we currently have 6 tower cranes in the city. We have had 24 major projects constructed between 2008 and now.

    We currently have 9 high-rise projects under construction (4747, The Wilson, The Elm, Avocet Office Tower, AC Hotel Bethesda, Marriott HQ, Marriot Hotel, 7900 Wisconsin and Brightview).

    We have 21 high-rise projects approved or in the pipeline (St Elmo, 8008 Wisconsin, 8000 Wisconsin/Artena, 8280 Wisconsin Bio-Science, 8015 Old Georgetown Church and Condos, 7607 Old Georgetown, Claiborne, ZOM/Maizon Bethesda, Edgemont II, 4340 Wisconsin, Rugby Condos, 4915 and 4921 Auburn, Metro Center 4, 4540 Montgomery, 7121 Wisconsin, 7126 Wisconsin, Metro Tower, 7800 Wisconsin, 7820 Wisconsin, and the Bethesda Gateway Project on East West Highway). Obviously some of these might not be realized, but many new ones are likely in the works.

    We also have 7 major new infrastructure and park improvements including the new South Metro Entrance, Purple Line Station, Wisconsin Plaza, Capital Crescent Trail Improvements to Silver Spring, Capital Crescent Urban Park and EYA Farm Women's Market Food Hall and an enhanced Metro Plaza in the pipeline.

    That's 37 major projects in the city and potentially 61 major high-rise projects since 2008. Almost all of these projects include ground level retail, cafes or restaurants.

    Perhaps others have more faith in the health of downtown Bethesda than you have...

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  36. Anonymous10:10 AM

    The Dyer did not win in MoCo County Council, because the electorate is full of Socialists. Dyer did in fact get most votes on the Republican slate of three.

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  37. Anonymous10:21 AM

    9:58 AM Great to see the residential development but very little of the development in the pipeline offers any significant retail. JBG's project on Wisconsin will have significant retail space but no other project has anything like that planned.

    Nor are there any community benefits such as public space or arts/entertainment included as part of any project in the pipeline. Maybe the Womens Farm Market project will offer something of a public space, but it remains to be seen.

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  38. Anonymous10:22 AM

    10:04 AM If temperament was so key, George Leventhal would never have served on the body.

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  39. Anonymous10:34 AM

    10:25 AM I voted for Shelly Skolnick as well. We need more women on the council.

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  40. Anonymous10:34 AM

    @ 10:22 - George Leventhal never told his constituents to "punch themselves" or threatened to bodyslam them into coffee tables.

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  41. Anonymous10:36 AM

    10:34 AM lol...he has said much worse. Educate yourself.

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  42. Anonymous10:50 AM

    10:21 AM, I have to disagree with your comment that not many of these projects include retail or restaurant space in the base. I would suggest that most of these projects all include substantial commercial space, at least the ones close to the Metro and Purple Line Stations.

    By the way, my project count started at 2008, when the last phase of Bethesda Row was completed, which completed a very substantial amount of retail along four streets.

    4747, The Wilson, AC Hotel Bethesda, Marriot Hotel, 7900 Wisconsin, St Elmo, 8008 Wisconsin, 8000 Wisconsin/Artena, 7607 Old Georgetown, Claiborne, 4340 Wisconsin, 4915 and 4921 Auburn, Metro Center 4, 4540 Montgomery, 7121 Wisconsin, 7126 Wisconsin, Metro Tower, 7800 Wisconsin, 7820 Wisconsin all have very large retail or restaurant components. Thats 20 new projects, many with multiple retail spaces in each tower so maybe 30 to 40 new retail/restaurant spaces.


    This does not even include the proposed food halls at the FWM, that in one renovated and two new buildings, might contain dozens of new restaurants and cafes across the street from the new South Metro Entrance, Purple Line Station, CCT 250 space Bike Parking Deck and potential BRT Station.

    Privately owned public space is also included in many of these projects, especially at 7900 Wisconsin, Metro Center 4, Avocet Tower and the Elm/Wilson. Of course many are not in one large town square, but they do add up to a very pleasant connected system of plazas and green spaces. As the PIP funds accrue, the county can afford to develop more public spaces like the Capital Crescent Plaza and Veteran's Park, or purchase additional sites for park usage.




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  43. Anonymous10:55 AM

    "10:34 AM lol...he has said much worse. Educate yourself."

    10:36 AM

    F5 F5 F5 F5 F5...

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  44. Anonymous11:50 AM

    By the way, the Bethesda Urban Partnership lists 192 existing or "coming soon" restaurants and cafes within Downtown Bethesda's CBD. A few on the list are closed, and a few new ones are missing. This is a very substantial amount of dining options, well within an easy walk from the Metro. The Bethesda Circulator makes it even easier for those who can't walk very far, or during inclement weather.

    This is why Bethesda has an extremely high Walkscore of well over 95 for most locations in the downtown area. Many areas of downtown Manhattan, San Francisco and Boston do not have a score this high.

    A Walkscore of 100 is the highest possible score. For example, Upstairs at Bethesda Row has a Walkscore of 98.

    https://www.walkscore.com/score/7131-arlington-rd-bethesda-md-20814

    https://www.bethesda.org/dining-guide-list

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  45. Anonymous12:39 PM

    10:25 , thanks for correction, four indeed. Yes I only voted for one candidate and turned in the ballot https://i.imgur.com/HKueTwa.jpg

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  46. Anonymous1:24 PM

    1:21 PM Dyer did no such thing. Come on man, don't just make stuff up.

    Dyer can say someone is inept, never covered the council race at all, etc.
    That isn't slander or threats.

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  47. Anonymous1:42 PM

    1:21 PM Dyer did no such thing. Come on man, don't just make stuff up...



    This is just creepy.

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  48. Anonymous1:42 PM

    (Screwed up the HTML, re-sending.)

    1:21 PM Dyer did no such thing. Come on man, don't just make stuff up...

    1:24 PM

    This is just creepy.

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  49. Anonymous2:56 PM

    1:24 is #Gaslighting

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  50. Anonymous3:52 PM

    Why don't they just call this "B. Dalton"?

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  51. Anonymous3:59 PM

    Saith Robert Dyer: "5:19:...Meanwhile, you never comment on other sites when they report 'out of their coverage area'..."

    How would you know whether comments left at other sites come from the person commenting at 5:19 AM? And how obsessively do you follow the comment threads there?

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  52. Mosaic District tenants include Target, GW Asian Supermarket, Arby's, and Panda Express. Its not an upscale area by any means. Most of Fairfax County in the shadows of Tysons Corner and Reston is just as run down and gang infested as Langley Park

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  53. Anonymous6:45 PM

    The common denominator seems to be ... Federal Realty's rent.

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  54. 5:27: Mosaic also has Robert Redford's Sundance store and Cheesetique, and many other upscale retailers, restaurants and a cineplex.

    3:59: Because there were no comments on the articles in question that criticized their lack of relevance to Bethesda. Very interesting.

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  55. I remember Giffords6:52 AM

    I miss Crown Books

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  56. I miss Marco Polo.
    Was there a Commander Salamander in Bethesda? Can't remember.

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  57. Anonymous7:27 AM

    "That isn't slander or threats."

    Dyer telling people to punch themselves, picking physical fights, and calling them punks, dumbasses, among other things isn't slander or threats?

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  58. Anonymous7:33 AM

    7:27 AM When did Dyer do any of those things to a Post reporter?

    Now, for the "anonymous" trolls here who post all sorts of creepy things- it's fair to call them dumbasses for sure.

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  59. Anonymous7:52 AM

    Category: "Jennifer Barrios":

    Tuesday, December 04, 2018
    Donohoe proposes 22-story condo tower at 7800 Wisconsin Avenue (Photos)
    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2018/12/donohoe-proposes-22-story-condo-tower.html

    Robert Dyer: "By the way, where is Amazon/MoCo cartel operative Jennifer Barrios? She hasn't published an article in days. A vacation reward for a job well done for the cartel, or an operative who's job is done? Did she apply for a job with the Council? LOL"

    Sunday, November 18, 2018
    Montgomery County embezzlement covered up until after Election Day
    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2018/11/montgomery-county-embezzlement-covered.html

    Robert Dyer: "Consider how bad the story makes reporter and Democrat County Council uber-fan Jennifer Barrios of the Post and others look. Journalism 101..."

    Monday, December 03, 2018
    Roll by Goodyear coming to Westfield Montgomery Mall
    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2018/12/roll-by-goodyear-coming-to-westfield.html

    Robert Dyer: "#FakeNews like Jennifer Barrios and Robert McCartney in the Washington Post."

    Wednesday, November 07, 2018
    Fresh off victory, Elrich to support Moses African Cemetery at HOC today
    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2018/11/fresh-off-victory-elrich-to-support.html

    Robert Dyer: "Journalism 101 - a course Jennifer Barrios at the Post desperately needs to take as soon as possible. The Post and other media outlets were clearly in collusion in this election. The question is, with whom?"

    Wednesday, January 23, 2019
    Bethesda police station sign malfunctions after less than 1 year
    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2019/01/bethesda-police-station-sign.html

    Robert Dyer: "Hack Post reporter Jennifer Barrios still hasn't investigated the $7 million embezzlement scandal and cover-up, but has kept us up-to-date on the 'Silver Spring Hand Lettering Society' while making unsubstantiated accusations of racism against County police officers.... Barrios either intentionally didn't investigate, or is the worst reporter to work for the Post, which is always the top choice of whistleblowers in the area."

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  60. Anonymous7:57 AM

    The pathetic joke is that Dyer himself has never taken "Journalism 101"...or any other courses in Journalism.

    He should consider at least taking "Libel 101".

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    1. Tom Andrews8:11 AM

      7:57am you do know many great journalists never went to a "journalism school", right?

      Dyer is clearly a subject matter expert in regards to covering Bethesda. A local guy in fact.

      Barrios is a self proclaimed political reporter for MoCo but didn't write one word about the council race after the primary. It's fair to criticize that, right?

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  61. Anonymous8:39 AM

    I thought Dyer was joking but the Post actually ran a feature on the Silver Spring Hand Lettering Society.

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  62. Anonymous8:48 AM

    7:33, 8:11 = Gaslighting

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  63. Roald8:56 AM

    Tom Andrews is back! Just in time.

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  64. Anonymous10:17 AM

    Robert Dyer, January 23, 2019: "Hack Post reporter Jennifer Barrios still hasn't investigated the $7 million embezzlement scandal and cover-up."

    Jennifer Barrios, November 16, 2018:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/montgomery-official-embezzled-67-million-from-county-federal-prosecutors-say/2018/11/16/5378861c-e85a-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a09a33fb42ff

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  65. Anonymous11:57 AM

    Excuse me, but isn’t your favorite “Betrayed by County Council” poster a hand lettered document?

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  66. 10:17: That was not only not an investigative piece, but it was withheld until after the election. All of it is sourced from County officials, not her own investigative reporting. She's still not investigating it now, and she may well have been in on the cover-up. No serious person believes that, with the number of elected officials and County employees who were aware of the embezzlement, no one had tipped off the Washington Post prior to November 2018. Give me a break.

    By the way, please tell me even Democrats were nauseated by the Mike Miller article the other day. Not surprised to see Steve Hendrix's byline on it, the go-to guy for the MoCo (and now, Annapolis) cartel(s) when any of its self-styled "Godfathers" want a puff piece. If I were an editor, I'd fire the reporters who wrote that on the spot, and it would never have been printed. And I would have fired Barrios early last year.

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  67. Miller has Stage 4 prostate cancer that has metastasized to his spine; I wouldn't exactly call it a "puff piece."

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  68. 4:24: His health is a separate issue from the totally-biased, fawning piece that was written (and took 3 people(!) to write).

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  69. Anonymous6:20 AM

    You're such a nasty piece of work, Dyer. Don't expect any eulogies at your own funeral.

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  70. Anonymous6:23 AM

    "If I were an editor, I'd fire the reporters who wrote that on the spot, and it would never have been printed. And I would have fired Barrios early last year."

    You're not an editor at The Washington Post, and you're not a Montgomery County Councilman.

    Thank God for little blessings in the Age of Trump.

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  71. 6:20: Yours will be taking place in prison.

    6:23: Both positions are currently held by criminals in some cases, so that's not a blessing for Montgomery County. A blessing would have been a Robert Dyer victory, so we could actually help people and turn this disaster around. And not call the police on black people protesting at County buildings, for example.

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  72. I repeat...
    Miller has Stage 4 prostate cancer that has metastasized to his spine; I wouldn't exactly call it a "puff piece.

    His health was the reason for the piece. That's why they titled it "He’s wielded power for decades. Now a legendary lawmaker faces a deadly illness."

    SMDH

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  73. Anonymous10:57 AM

    Good time to remind everyone that The Post is owned and operated by liar, cheater and philanderer, Jeff Bezos.

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  74. And the country is run by one. Your point?

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  75. Anonymous11:24 AM

    11:01 AM Trump has never claimed to be holier than thou. Bezos, through his personal house organ, does. Will the Post cover Bezo's fixer who has been in the news this week? Probably not. Hypocrisy.

    And their local coverage sucks. Are we due for their once a year roundup article about Bethesda?

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  76. Anonymous12:06 PM

    Dyer loves to slander and attack Democratic politicians, but has nothing but praise for Trump. (Formerly Hogan as well....before he found out that he wasn't a racist extremist nut like the rest of the GOP).

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  77. Anonymous12:34 PM

    12:06 PM When all of our county, state and Federal representatives are Democrats, it's not like they're being singled out.

    Skeptical coverage by a diligent media isn't an "attack". Dyer appears to be only news publisher in the county that has some impartiality and skepticism when covering our local government.

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  78. Anonymous6:55 PM

    Some examples of Robert Dyer's "impartiality and skepticism":

    "The 'academic world' is almost entirely made up of card-carrying Communists who support open borders, so no one is going to take their word for much on the topic."

    "Are you with the MoCo cartel Stasi? Bizarre question by any measure, Comrade. Considering the MoCo cartel is literally running the County as a Communist dictatorship - complete with Soviet-style 'elections' and Pravda-clone Washington Post house organ - it's a very appropriate question for me to ask, Comrade."

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  79. The Crystal City AMAZON deal is apparently at risk following Virginia Governor's sensational rscist photos.

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  80. Anonymous9:23 AM

    "Let's face it - Larry Hogan's top priority is Larry Hogan. A one-man party who threw his fellow Republicans under the bus, he'll have a devil of a time attracting any major corporate headquarters to Maryland by cutting tolls on the Bay Bridge. Hogan came up with a winning incentive package for Amazon, but ultimately was powerless to overcome his state's horrifically-high personal and corporate taxes, and hostile business climate. Like the Montgomery County Council, Hogan - who also bizarrely opposes a new Potomac River crossing - needed Amazon desperately. The loss is that much more devastating."

    http://robertdyer.blogspot.com/2018/11/no-losing-amazon-hq2-is-not-win-for.html

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  81. Anonymous11:42 AM

    I'm glad 9:23 AM brought up the MoCo Council's dismal failure in trying to lure Amazon to White Flint. Good to remind people how MoCo struck out big time after betting everything on Amazon.

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  82. Anonymous6:24 PM

    What did they bet?

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  83. Anonymous7:25 PM

    Virginia promised $750 million to Amazon.

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  84. I think I read that Maryland offered to spend over $8.5 billion. I'm not so sure the risk/reward would have been realized this far down county.
    There ARE some of us who were glad to see Amazon go elsewhere.

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  85. Anonymous5:59 PM

    I understand that offers were made, but since they simply choose another site wasn't the only thing we "lost" the potential? I mean, it's not like they put $20 on black and it came up red. Are there other businesses that were definitively available and willing to move to Montgomery County that also chose other sites as Amazon was an exclusive focus? If not, I'm not seeing what the problem of this type of "bet" is.

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  86. Anonymous6:04 PM

    Didn't Texas also lose AMZHQ2?

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  87. Anonymous9:41 PM

    Many articles and commentaries were that MoCo had this in the bag and Amazon HQ2 was the solution to all of our problems- such as the big hole in the grounds of the old White Flint Mall.

    The "Pike Plan" has fizzled in terms of being a new Tysons. Pike & Rose gave us a nice little neighborhood, but where is the intense office development promised? Even Marriott didn't want to move there. The City of Rockville pointedly told MoCo goverment employees that, no, actually you can't incorporate Twinbrook into White Flint. Now what?

    Of course, none of this was able to be debated ahead of November's elections because there were no Council debates. Funny how that works.

    MoCo government and its house organs often spread misinformation to further its cause.

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  88. 5:59PM - Good points.

    9:41PM - You had my interest until you went to complaining ab out the elections and no debates. And that quote "Funny how that works" and "house organs spread misinformation" SMH Predictable but disappointing.

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  89. 3:36: You support an election that doesn't have general election debates or press coverage? That doesn't sound like an enlightened Bethesda resident's way of thinking.

    6:04: Texas isn't in the desperate position MoCo and Maryland are - Montgomery hasn't attracted a single major corporate HQ in two decades. Texas has attracted many, and the cost of living is cheaper than it is here, to boot.

    5:59: The financial losses came from not pursuing the other searching companies at all, and from projects like Montrose Parkway East and the north entrance to White Flint Metro, for which funding was canceled under the Council's overconfident belief that they would win HQ2 and Hogan would fund both. They were wrong, and now neither project is moving forward.

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  90. 3:56 Stop twisting words. I said it "had my interest" which I then lost when it went to the tired old "complaining about" the Council and the press.

    Montrose Parkway East was unpopular with just about everyone except you.

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  91. Anonymous6:00 AM

    3:56, so what ARE the "financial losses"? Or are they just theoretical? And is there any evidence of funding for other projects being cancelled due to the belief that Amazon was coming, or is that just another Dyer "Journalism 101" moment?

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  92. 6:00: No, they are financial losses because the crooks running the County put all effort into Amazon because they thought the decision was going to be a political one, rather than the one that made the most business sense for Bezos. Meanwhile, Virginia played every hand available, and not only picked up Amazon, but quite a few other HQs and factories along the way.

    I just mentioned two projects that were postponed due to the false belief the state would pay if we got Amazon, and as a result, were essentially canceled by Elrich's latest budget proposal.

    4:09: The Montrose Parkway East was very popular among business groups and drivers who currently sit at red lights on Randolph Road. Its cancellation the same week Amazon execs were touring Montgomery County was a humiliatingly stupid Council decision that certainly didn't help our bid.

    Amazon is essentially a logistics company, as their Crystal City plans indicate, and had to be spooked by the government of the place they were touring canceling the biggest infrastructure project for the area they were considering in the County for the HQ2.

    Of course, with no critical press besides me, they've skated on that blunder and even been allowed to proclaim defeat was actually a victory. And it was your favorite corrupt or incompetent reporter Jennifer Barrios who pointedly refused to include my relevant and timely comment that was emailed to her in advance in her article on the parkway postponement.

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  93. Anonymous6:35 AM

    "Jennifer Barrios who pointedly refused to include my relevant and timely comment that was emailed to her in advance in her article on the parkway postponement."

    Apparently you set higher expectations for Ms. Barrios' response to comments than you do for yourself.

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  94. 6:35: I expect the bare minimum of professional standards from a Washington Post reporter. Barrios has proven incapable of demonstrating those.

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  95. Anonymous7:09 AM

    So your answer is yes.

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  96. Anonymous7:12 AM

    "Amazon is essentially a logistics company, as their Crystal City plans indicate, and had to be spooked by the government of the place they were touring canceling the biggest infrastructure project for the area they were considering in the County for the HQ2."

    Do you realize that the "HQ" in "HQ2" stands for "headquarters" - not "package sorting and shipping facility"?

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  97. 7:12: "Do you realize that the" Crystal City HQ2 will have a pedestrian bridge linking directly to an airport?

    7:09: No - is English your first language?

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  98. Anonymous8:29 PM

    6:17, is "I just mentioned" a technique you learned in Journalism 101, one where you never offer evidence backing your assertions and just keep repeating them instead?

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  99. 8:29: Is English your first language? You asked which projects were postponed a second time, and I repeated them a second time, Saul Alinsky.

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  100. Anonymous8:46 PM

    Dyer, is English YOUR first language?

    8:29 didn't "ask you which projects were postponed a second time". S/he asked you what your evidence was of your claim that "funding was canceled under the Council's overconfident belief that they would win HQ2 and Hogan would fund both".

    Is it really that hard for you to understand a question and answer it without lame evasions and insults?

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  101. 8:46: You don't know if your other personality is a he or a she? We know because there was an argument between Roger Berliner and Nancy Floreen about the Montrose Parkway, in which Berliner expressed his belief that the Amazon deal included the funding for these projects. He was then reprimanded for disclosing secret information from the deal, and this was widely talked about in the Post and elsewhere at the time.

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  102. Anonymous9:55 PM

    "this was widely talked about in the Post and elsewhere at the time."

    No it wasn't, or else you would have linked to such a claim.

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  103. 9:55: You just got bodyslammed, Saul Alinsky:

    https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2018/03/09/oops-moco-official-lets-slip-a-little-info-on.html

    Among many other outlets, including the Post.

    You look really stupid right now, dumbass.

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  104. 9:14 PM - STILL unable/unwilling to accept that since I started using my Blogger name, (years ago) I post exclusively with that name. Sheesh, how sad.

    9:55PM, I'm sorry but there was a little to-do when Berliner "spoke out of turn" Here's a link
    oops-moco

    8:46PM, distractions, distortions and irrelevancies. And he throws the "Alinsky" moniker at others??



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