Montgomery County police responded to a report of an aggravated assault at the 7-Eleven at 7820 Wisconsin Avenue in downtown Bethesda Monday night, August 8, 2022. The assault was reported at 9:15 PM. MoCo PG News on Twitter reported that a knife-wielding man attempted to attack a store employee, and was taken into custody by officers. No serious injuries were reported, but the store was forced to close for a short time.
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All store owners/clerks, employees should be armed to the teeth. Start blowing holes in these maggots and this will stop. No, police can't help you even if this silly county got its act together. Take matters into your own hands. This is anarchy.
I notice they block the exit on the Wisconsin Ave side of the store in recent months. Great for reducing shoplifting I assume but bad if there's a knife wielding man and there's only one exit available.
You seem to have overlooked the part about "was taken into custody by officers," 7:21. I'll chalk that up to your blinding rage, not your reading comprehension.
Are you one of the protector daddies who will "take matters into your own hands" and be "armed to the teeth," now that the 2A means anyone can carry anything anywhere? I'm sure we'll all be much safer knowing cool-headed, mature, clearly responsible adults like you are ready to step in when you see "maggots" who need ventilating.
Is your basement rec room decorated with Charles Bronson posters?
1:31 - Yes, I sure will and you're welcome.
@ 7:21 Madness! What are these gun using clerks protecting? Guns are bad, mkay. Get a grip on reality.
Convenience Store Clerk is one of the most dangerous occupation regarding exposure to crime.
1:31: Did you know that the US Supreme Court ruled that police are not obliged to protect you. You can't assume they will get there in time. '
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"Guns are bad" How's that working out in nearby DC? They just made #10 on the list of most violent County's, (as defined by the FBI - Not that management there has any credibility left). The stat there is high level of gun control with huge hurdles to overcome just to own a handgun. Result: 147% higher violent crime than the national average.
Maybe if they spent the $30,115.00 PER PUPIL, (fiscal 2020), to make sure students learn how to read/write/calculate instead of teaching progressive BS we wouldn't be in such a huge mess. Never going to happen in a city that votes over 92% democrat so congrats, you liberals own this.
5:12, I'll tell you what guns are protecting: the idea that criminals can't just help themselves to other people's stuff with impunity. The sooner everyone learns this the sooner peace will prevail.
2:11 - Thank you for saying something sensible and accurate. These Far Left wingers don't understand how this world works. Guns in the hands of the good guys is what we want and need especially today. Good grief are the anti-gun and anti-2A crowd dangerous.
I actually know the offender in this thing, and he is a good kid though obviously did the majorly wrong thing. He is a local convenience store clerk himself, and got into an argument and did everything wrong because of his machismo. That's the problem with things today is that everyone's ready to pull a knife or a gun in a conflict. Just everyone stop being such a'holes and relax.
He's a decent kid, and now he will pay for such a bad mistake, and he should. But all you tough guys who are just itching to blow holes in people, you all will go to hell for your sins against humanity in general. Don't cause problems, don't further problems, be humane. Walk away if you can, protect yourself if you must, but first be a human.
And for the record, I don't know what happened, I just know that he has seemed like generally a good kid. He doesn't seem like some crackhead that would be trying to arbitrarily attack someone. All I am saying is some argument must have happened, and he apparently made the worst decision possible to be a tough guy. Like you dumb tough guys. I am sad he attempted assault, according to the reports. Note that he stuck around until he was arrested, that should also be kind of a tell. A guilty person would run, right? Anyway, whatever he did is on him. I'm glad no Charles Bronson asshole decided to start blasting.
Ah yes, "good guys with guns." How'd that work out in Uvalde, with the nearly 400 police on scene? Those anti-no-gun-control nuts are dangerous indeed, protesting because people can walk into any gun shop and waltz out with an armload of weapons, then go off to shoot up a supermarket, church, school, parade. It's insanity for them to protest this unfettered, God-given right.
"In 2019, KXAN News in Austin worked with the ALERRT Center at Texas State University to compile data on 316 mass shootings in Texas between 2000 and 2019. The data showed that citizens stopped shooters 50 times out of 316 but only 10 of those instances were by using a gun. The other 40 times, the citizen used either their hands or another weapon."
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/good-guys-with-guns-do-they-help-stop-shooters-heres-what-data-says/
"It isn't common for mass shootings to be stopped in such fashion. From 2000 to 2021, fewer than 3% of 433 active attacks in the U.S. ended with a civilian firing back, according to the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University."
https://www.fox13news.com/news/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-stop-a-shooting
Why do political figures who advocate for greater access to guns in more locations demur from allowing weapons to be carried into their campaign rallies?
* Firearms banned at events with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis
https://www.businessinsider.com/guns-banned-at-turning-point-rallies-with-florida-gov-ron-desantis-2022-8
*Donald Trump rejects gun regulations
"The Secret Service banned guns from the hall during Trump's address."
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/donald-trump-nra-houston/
If more guns in more places make us all safer, surely politicians would want more rally attendees to be armed, no? What are they afraid of? Even if a "bad guy" with a gun snuck through, surely he would be quickly cut down by all the armed "good guys," wouldn't he?
So by 7:51's logic, it's better for law abiding citizens not to be armed and accept your fate because even the police might not save you.
Uvalde proves that the only person that one can count on is themselves. Luckily many people are still alive from the Greenwood Park Mall thanks to an armed citizen. Democrats have already demonstrated by crime statistics that strict gun control only controls those who obey the law and the cities they manage are the most crime and violence ridden places in the country.
To answer your question why Republican politicians want people unarmed at their rallies is because the left has proven themselves to be an unhinged violent mob and will do anything including pose as supporters to create mayhem. If that wasn't absolutely true, then the police would need to stand guard at Sotomayor's house instead of Kavanagh's. Your hero, Nicholas John Roske aka "Sophie" is you typical disturbed leftist that gets no airtime on MSM so you probably don't even know.
7:25/7:42 Doesn't really seem to grasp the concept that "seemed like generally a good kid" doesn't come into play when you're threatening the life of another. I'm glad he wasn't shot/killed but given the choice at that moment in time, you don't know if he would have hurt or killed the clerk so I'll defer to protect the life of the clerk even if it means killing the perpetrator. Mental capacity can come into play at the trial but in the heat of the moment; Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
3:19 AM is absolutely spot on. Well said.
@7:25PM/7:51 PM: I don't conceal carry to be a hero or to take justice into my own hands. I'd like to have more police in MoCo, but apparently that isn't what MoCo leadership wants. I conceal carry so that I'm not a victim of woke policies like that.
I only draw a firearm as an absolute last resort. Before that I'll give a multiple verbal warnings to back off. Then I'll have my pepper spray at the ready and use it if necessary. After using it, I'll call the police immediately or ask someone nearby to call the police and say that I'm a concealed carrier. If both of those measures don't stop or prevent the continued legitimate threat to me, or if they continue to escalate with any kind of weapon, the next thing will my drawn carry weapon held at the ready. I regularly train and practice to use good trigger discipline. I don't take it lightly. I hope that's enough to prevent the aggressor from continuing to be a threat. I hope the police have already arrived to handle this. If not, then the next thing will be two shots to center mass to stop the threat.
@3:19, looks like you advocate abolishing the police, since they can't be counted on to do their job, even when they know there's a crime being committed mere feet away from their heavily armed selves, as happened in Uvalde. It's comforting to know you've got an excuse for everything.
Oh, on your claim about stricter gun control leading to the "most crime and violence ridden places in the country": "The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2020 was Mississippi, followed by Wyoming, Louisiana, Alaska, Missouri, and Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Hawaii, followed by Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership...State gun death rates are calculated by dividing the number of gun deaths by the total state population and multiplying the result by 100,000 to obtain the rate per 100,000, which is the standard and accepted method for comparing fatal levels of gun violence." https://vpc.org/states-with-weak-gun-laws-and-higher-gun-ownership-lead-nation-in-gun-deaths-new-data-for-2020-confirms/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9NeXBhAMEiwAbaY4lirfc_qeng-TPntoGIHSrAb0n86HSSzBKbmm6QYy2uOjOTjvygp-LxoCDV0QAvD_BwE
Congratulations! One of the six most gun-violent states in America is actually governed by a Democrat. The remained five top slots all go to Republicans. Fun fact: every single one of those top six most violent, homicide-heavy states has a Republican-controlled state legislature. Conversely, the states with the lowest gun homicide rates all have Dem governors and Dem-controlled state houses, (save Massachusetts, w/a GOP governor and a Dem super-majority state house.)
To recap: by actual numbers/statistics/measurements, the *MOST VIOLENT* states in America have weak gun control laws and are all run by Republicans. The *LEAST VIOLENT* states have strong gun control laws and are run by Dems.
@6:39 AM: Need some help with that gaslight?
6:39's party defunds the police; releases repeat offenders with little or no bail; says Uvalde police essentially didn't make any difference; yet accuses 3:19 of wanting to abolish the police. Maybe it's a comprehension issue fostered by a lack self introspection that always leads liberals into Reductio ad Absurdum.
Clue: Democrat controlled CITIES are the hotbed for crime and violence and while you love to pull stats for the entire state as it makes your argument seem sound. Most people, (especially those living inside a liberal controlled hellhole), except you and the rest of the information challenged zombies, can see that soft-on-crime democrat cities are the problem.
DC is now the 10th most violent area in the country with violent crime 147% above the national average. Don't think that it stays confined within DC as MCPD police chief was just interviewed this morning talking about steps to control the upswing in crime.
9:50, you’ll need to be more specific with your accusation. What part of my statement was gaslighty? The portion where I linked to statistics taken from the CDC, or the two paragraphs that followed and referenced those statistics?
9:51, I hate to break it to you, but 3:19 says, “Uvalde proves that the only person that one can count on is themselves.” To my eye, that reads a lot like your quote, “Uvalde police essentially didn't make any difference,” which is why I replied, taking 3:19’s argument to absurd lengths, (since that convention is the bread-&-butter tactic of your side,) and suggested he sounds like he wants to ban the police. Of course it’s an absurd argument I made there; I didn’t think any of Robert’s readers were so granitic as to not understand sarcasm when they saw it. Is that concept alien to you? Did you miss that day in fourth-grade English when that literary device was taught? (Amusingly, looks who’s in the headlines this week, screaming that very thing —“Defund/destroy the FBI!” None other than MAGAnation luminaries MGT, Paul Gosar, Lauren Boebert, Jeff Duncan, Candace Owens, Matt Schlapp, Dinesh D’Souza, etc, etc. Not very law-&-ordery of your Sturmbannfuhrers)
Clue: Republican controlled STATES have preemption laws that supersede any local laws that may have been passed by Democratic city councils. All the following information pertains to the six states with the most per capita gun deaths in 2020 as linked to in 6:39 post. The following citations come from NRA Institute for Legislative Action:
MS: “The state legislature generally preempts all areas of firearm and ammunition regulation.”
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/mississippi/
WY: The sale, transfer, purchase, delivery, taxation, manufacture, ownership, transportation, storage, use and possession of firearms, weapons and ammunition shall be authorized, regulated and prohibited by the state, and regulation thereof is preempted by the state.
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/wyoming/
LA: No political subdivision of the state may regulate in any manner, firearms or ammunition, unless otherwise allowed for in state law.
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/louisiana/
AL: Under Ala. Code § 13A-11-61.3(c), the “entire field of regulation in this state touching in any way upon firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories” is reserved to the state legislature, “to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance, or rule promulgated or enforced by any political subdivision.”
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/alabama/
AK: Complete authority to regulate firearms is reserved to the state legislature.
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/alaska/
MO: The general assembly occupies and preempts the entire field of legislation “touching in any way firearms, components, ammunition and supplies to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance or regulation by any political subdivision” in Missouri.
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/missouri/
I love to put stats around my argument to prove it is sound. The NRA itself (themselves?) provides the information proving you wrong about municipalities in the six most dangerous states making their own gun laws.
What 9:32 will never acknowledge is that more gun laws don't lower crime and thinking that state laws supercede local city laws in Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland demonstrate either a lack of understanding or a willingness to ignore statistics that don't support your argument. Democrats are solely responsible for the violence in cites like Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, DC and Baltimore yet yet bringing up states like Wyoming and Alaska are relevant?
In DC earlier this year, two dogs were take at gunpoint from their owners. The police did find the perpetrators in a DC residence and found one of the dogs, multiple illegal handguns, several AR15 rifles and drugs of distribution quantities. Two adults and several minors were arrested. DC prosecutors decided not to charge anyone with weapons violations notably the adults who should be in prison for armed robbery and posession of illegal weapons & drugs.
Liberals love to virtue signal by making laws that help them sleep well in their relatively safe neighborhoods but couldn't care less if the laws actually do anything. Start by enforcing the laws on the books and keep repeat offenders behind bars but that's just going to be a bridge to far by incarcerating your voting base.
9:32 don't think he said "...making their own gun laws". Criminals who like to shoot people don't care about gun laws. And they mostly live in the cities. That's why the cities are crime-ridden hellholes and spike the stats for republican controlled states. So keep spewing your "statistics" but no one with a brain will be convinced by your "argument."
@8:10, "Actually," they aren't "statistics" with "quotation marks" around them, implying they are suspect/fraudulent/fake. They are statistics. Real, recorded, sourced --something you and your like-minded posters have failed to produce anywhere in this string.
I am curious how those city-dwelling criminals who you claim skew per-capita gun-death figures in R-controlled states (ranked by the CDC as the most deadly in the country,) are able to out-shoot their fellow urban criminals in NY, MA, and NJ --states where the per-capita gun-death figures are lowest, according to CDC.
Since the biggest ten cities in the most deadly R-controlled states have [roughly] combined populations of AR-900k; AK-480k; MO-1.6m; MS-510k; WY- 280k; LA-1.4m, the gunmen in those respective spots must be doing a lot of shooting. The *combined* populations for ALL of those cities,5.17m, doesn't rise to the population of NYC's 8.9m people. How is it, then, that NY is ranked by CDC as one of the states with the *lowest* per capita gun-death rate? You say "cities are crime-ridden hellholes and spike the stats." That quote of yours is followed immediately by "and spike the stats for Republican controlled states." But surely, cities everywhere, even in Dem-controlled states, will spike the stats if it's simply b/c of urban violence. If that be the case, that cities are responsible for juking the numbers, then NYC, a city with almost nine million people, should send crime numbers through the roof. I mean, if the biggest 10 cities in Wyoming, where roughly half the state's total population of 582k live, are responsible for so many shooting deaths as to put the state at the top of the CDC's list, should that not be the same for NY, where ca. half the state's 20.1m people live in urban areas? Yet, the CDC says that isn't the case. Things distinguishing WY: GOP control of state house and governor's office and legislature; lax gun laws; state gun laws superseding/preempting any local such laws. Things distinguishing NY: Dem control of state house and gov's office; more restrictive gun laws; state does not bar cities from creating their own gun laws. The urban/other pop. ratio is roughly equivalent, yet NY's gun death rate
is 5.44/100k, while WY's is 26.45.
https://vpc.org/state-firearm-death-rates-ranked-by-rate-2020/
Re/ your quotation mark pull of "making their own gun laws." Since 9:51 was spluttering on about Democratic-controlled cities being the hotbeds of crime, I did infer inaccurately he was suggesting those city councils were creating their own gun laws. I misread that. I should have understood his meaning those Dem-controlled areas are governed by the lax GOP-issued *state* gun laws in place for those jurisdictions. I apologize for my error.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" Mark Twain. You are obviously more interested in this subject than I. Not sure what your actual point is and don't care. If it is to convince anyone that Dem policies don't encourage crime don't bother because no one with a brain will be convinced.
@9:32 PM: You'll never accept that conceal carry holders like me who've gone through all the background checks and all the required training aren't the people who are committing crimes with the legal guns they legally own and carry in any significant number. These people, like me, who don't commit crimes in the first place, aren't committing crimes and won't commit crimes because they're carrying. Period. You'll never accept that. You simply won't. I know this because I'm a lawful conceal carrier in multiple states and I'm not a criminal, nor do I have any inclination to commit a crime with a weapon that I'm legally carrying. Everyone who I know that conceal carries legally isn't a criminal and has no inclination to commit a crime.
Let me repeat that for you to make sure you get it: As a conceal carrier in multiple states, including MD, I'm not committing a crime by conceal carrying a weapon. I'm not at all likely to commit a crime by carrying a concealed weapon. I'm also not likely to be a victim of a crime when I'm carrying my concealed weapon.
Increasing the number of conceal carriers doesn't increase or incentivize crime.... because legal conceal carriers don't commit crimes in any significant number in the first place. Rather, these conceal carriers are much less likely to be victims of crimes and they actually provide a deterrent effect benefit for everyone because a criminal may rethink committing a crime against someone if there's a chance that they could be conceal carrying. Under MD's prior restrictive system for conceal carry, the criminals knew that almost nobody was conceal carrying. Now with the new Supreme Court ruling, there are going to be tens of thousands of new conceal carry holders in MD (like myself), and we won't be victims of crimes.
I follow all gun laws and I've gone through the legal process for my carry permit. Criminals don't follow any of them, and they don't care what the law or legal process is to legally carry. Maybe it's a newsflash for you, but criminals don't care what the gun laws are. No criminal has ever read a sign which said a gun law and followed it. No criminal has ever read a "Gun-Free Zone" sign and followed it. No criminal has said that "I'd better not carry a magazine over 10 rounds in the commission of this crime because it's another crime they can charge me with".
It's amazing but not surprising how misguided you are on all this. I for one am glad that I don't have to depend on someone like you for my personal safety. People like you are why I conceal carry.
Dear 9:23 v2.0,
9:32 v1.0 here. I stipulate you are a responsible gun owner. Will you stipulate CDC data show states with looser gun laws have higher rates of gun-related deaths than do states with tighter laws? Those two things --your handling firearms responsibly and CDC data showing death rate disparities-- are not mutually exclusive; they can both be true simultaneously. It is not a dig at you, it is the observation of counted, tallied, tabulated figures.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
https://www.nraila.org/
12:31 Insists that their statistics support their liberal talking points. NYC for example, by your standards is safer per capita than many other areas. Tell that to crime victims when NYPD data shows a 36% surge in crime including a 43% increase in fatal stabbings compared to 2021 data.
The problem with democrats is they need to skew statistics in a way to show that its someone else's fault. You can color it any way you want but people can see that liberal DA's across the country are wreaking havoc on the population while your leaders have dinner at The French Laundry.
Put your money where your mouth is and take a stroll down Minnesota Ave SE after sunset. I've actually worked down there and while parts of it have gone through gentrification, thanks to the leadership in the DC government only criminals have guns and aren't afraid to use them.
12:35 I think as a matter of logic you are correct. However the correctness of the statement doesn't necessarily result in any meaningful moral value judgment. For example, what if the increase in gun deaths included folks killed as a result of legitimate self-defense? Or in the process of burgling a residence? Keeping and bearing arms is a constitutionally protected right in this country. I can tell you that folks like me will never voluntarily give up our weapons and place ourselves at the mercy of the Antifa/BLM loving, corrupt FBI and DOJ enabling Dems who hate our guts and want to see us dead. So if you have some important point you want to make, stop quoting statistics and just say it.
12:35 uses a straw man argument around state statistics that makes the case in a narrow view. Your tabulated figures don't show the overall increase in all crimes almost exclusively due to democrats in charge. Uncomfortable facts and like the recall in SF, people are starting to see beyond the BS that your selling.
4:45, It's not by my standards that NYC is safer per capita than many other areas, it is by the measurement of the CDC, who every year issue a report on the ways in which people in the USA die. It isn't conjecture that, per capita, NYC has fewer people die per 100,000 of its residents than do other areas of the country.
It amuses me you have the temerity to accuse Democrats of the "need to skew statistics," after your having moved the goal post in the preceding paragraph, to incorporate "a 43% increase in fatal stabbings," figure, when all the stats previously cited in this string refer *specifically* to gun deaths. That said, you are right, the city has absolutely, 100% seen the total number of murders/total number of deaths rise in the last several years.
In either event, homicide numbers have risen in many/most/all areas/states/regions since about 2015, and especially since Covid. By that measurement, NYC's increase in homicides is not unique. To poorly paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "A rising tide of crime lifts all stats." However, the *total number* of deaths is a different measurement from the *deaths per capita,* just as a measure of a room's [L x W] square footage is different from measuring its [L x W x H] cubic footage. Your post is essentially comparing square footage to cubic footage --NYC's [unquestionably rising] *total* death rate with other area's *per capita* death rate. Actually, with your inclusion of the stabbing figures, your post might more nearly more nearly be comparing square footage of a single room to cubic footage of several rooms.
As for your mucho macho surviving SE? Been there, done that. In the late 1980s, during DC's crack wars, I worked as a process server and legal investigator for my school legal clinic, which did pro bono civil work for the city's indigent. The offices were on North Capitol Street, near Florida Avenue and the city's homicide total that year was 434. I visited no fewer, (I phrase it that way because these are the number of times I actually documented,) than nine locations around town, knocking on doors to serve papers on deadbeat dads or the like, where a homicide had been committed in the same block within one week of my appearance there. So color me unimpressed that you are brave enough to walk the streets when the current homicide rate is about 1/3 what it was (2021 total - 118; 2022 YTD - 133,) when I was going up to strangers in the worst parts of town to serve them with legal papers.
Congratulations on being on the same streets at the same time. How you ended up forming an opinion based on narrowly focused numbers and concluding that red states cause blue city crime is stunning but not politically surprising given the democrats refusal to acknowledge any responsibility for 40+ years of poor management. Some people learn through observation and experience and some don't. Keep sticking by your numbers because the democratic party needs water carriers to sell the same failed policies, (definition of insanity inserted here), but people are waking up to your Soros sponsored BS and telling people that everything is better than it was isn't going to cut it.
Just in past couple of weeks:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/boy-girl-shot-in-northeast-dc-police-say/3128408/
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/11-people-shot-6-separate-washington-dc-shootings-within-12-hour-span/65-c0a7ef15-7edd-43d6-939a-b12491012c63
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/father-of-3-was-an-innocent-bystander-shot-in-dc-during-a-violent-afternoon/3119079/
Of course your answer is the limit/restrict gun ownership by law abiding citizens and suing gun manufacturers. No thought of making the actual criminal take responsibility. It's almost unbelievable that someone can try to push statistics that it's safer now. You should still take that stroll unarmed and let us know how it goes.
@12:35 AM: You can stipulate that I'm a responsible gun owner, but that's not what you need to stipulate. You need to stipulate that increasing the number of conceal carriers with legal guns doesn't increase or incentivize crime because legal conceal carriers with legal guns don't commit crimes in any significant number in the first place.
Go ahead and put it in writing that you stipulate that.
Your quoted statistics have nothing to do with what I'm talking about, and I think you're bringing them up to avoid what I'm talking about.
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